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Jay*
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Topic: Older inboards not the samePosted: 13 November 2007 at 6:29pm |
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I have a 91 Supra Impulse that after 2 years am just getting back in the water. Previous boats were a 79 Ski Nautique and 83 Mastercraft 190 (yes I am older myself).
I bought the Supra thinking a 351 and PCM transmission was all that was important as long as it ran well. BIG mistake. When Supra built their hulls they only spot glassed the stringers, spot glassed the floors, ran the exhaust under a glassed in floor (not accessible), used steel staples to hold things together, and filled the system with closed cell foam. The exhaust went through the glassed in floor section and closed cell foam it steamed the floor every time you ran it. The closed cell foam acted like a wet sponge on the bare springer sections. The floor and stringers rotted just after the warranty ran out. After taking the top off the hull, removing the floor, grinding down to the bare shell, rebuilding a better stringer design with quality components, glassing it all together, glassing in the floor, remounting and balancing the motor and drive train, rewiring, replacing the exhaust, reapholstering the interior and polishing the outside, it is a boat that will last for 50 years +. It has been a royal pain in the back side. Had I known that there had been some shoddy boat building out there, I would have been more careful in choosing the hull. NOT ALL HULLS ARE MADE EQUALLY! Thankfully, late model boats are mostly glass and foam with really cool glues and bonding agents with nothing to rot. Lesson learned: If you are considering an older boat, talk to a couple of fiberglass shops to get their input on make and year models. It could save you lots of money in the long run. ![]() If you have your own nightmare, drop me a line and I will try to help you streamline your repair process. |
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Booty
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Joined: 19 October 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 86 |
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Posted: 29 November 2007 at 5:44am |
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Hey Jay, I have been over on correct craft fan sight and a lot of poeple have been through what you have been through will a lot of different year models of nautiques as well. I myself own a 82 nautique and are probalbly overdue to replace stringers. I think we all abuse boats a little just because it is a boat does not mean store it wet all the time. show them some tlc and try to dry them out when not in use.I understand you problems with the exhuast and bad design as well . But there is nothin more beautiful than an old boat that is well maintained running out on the water. Booty
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caliendog
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Posted: 29 July 2009 at 5:27pm |
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I have an '87 Supra Saltare with the same hull problems. In addition, the gel coat dried up and chalked up after a few years even though I have my boat on a lift and inside storage in the winter. Still a very cool boat, sounds like yours is too !
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Century63
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Posted: 27 October 2009 at 11:47pm |
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The more I read about the problems with the older boats makes me concerned. I purchased a 1988 Supra Pirata with 351. I have a post on this sight about 3500 RPM. Someone suggested I check below the floor for soaked foam and extra weight. Probably a project for the spring. I also have a 1963 Century inboard. It is totally wood, beautiful and runs great. Of course the design is not compartmentalized with any foam. It is able to dry out and put together with screws. I have had the floor out of it, motor and dumped over for work. If the engineers that built the Supra were aware of the older boats openess below the floor why would you build something that would cause issues?
If and when I get to looking below deck I plan on screwing it back together for access.
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jpeters
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Posted: 10 November 2009 at 7:19am |
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I own an 88 and 94 pirata
I love them both. the 351 was common in them. the 88 has a 240 hp and I agree that it is underpowered. OK for pulling the kids etc. My 94 has the HO 300 hp 351 w/ gt heads etc.
super motors with little troubles.
Put a set of GT 40m heads on and it will make a great difference. Easiest power you can get. I have a set of remanufactured GT heads ready to install. $600. pair. I paid 650. receipt included
jeff 763-439-4037
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Boatski
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Posted: 16 November 2009 at 12:32am |
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I have an '87 Supra Sunsport that also used the closed cell foam (dumb). Shortly after I bought the boat it developed a list on the starboard side. Supra had forgotten to put any drain holes in the stringers to drain any water from accumulating outboard of the stringers. Supra drilled holes in the stringers but it was too late, the foam had already absorbed a vast amount of water. As "luck" would have it I plowed through a boats wake, colapsing the hull (hull not properly attached to the deck) Supra replaced hull free of charge and I no longer had to live with the listing hull. PS: I still have the boat and its been great except for the rusting ski pylon, but thats another story.
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IndyRob
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Posted: 19 November 2009 at 12:50am |
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1990 MasterCraft ProStar 190 with 980 "hard" hours. Not a single issue in the 7 years I've owned her (I think I am the third owner). Still the best wake I have skied behind - ever. Guess what my next boat will be?
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loeweb
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Posted: 07 February 2010 at 2:26am |
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I am the same as previously posted. Own a 1988 Prostar 190 and have yet to have any serious problems. I am the third owner, and only 500 hrs. |
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dndsam
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Posted: 29 August 2010 at 4:32pm |
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All comp boat owners/buyers...Do your research. I have only owned 2 boats up to this point and like any industry, technology advances with time. My first boat was a 1984 Mastercraft Stars and Stripes 19 ft Skier. 1984 was the FIRST year Mastercraft went with all fiberglass floors and stringers. Seat bottoms were still wood, but easily replaceable. 1986 was Mastercrafts first year wood free. Every other manufacturer was still using wood floors and stringers at that time. Expanded the family and sold my Mastercraft and bought a 1999 Supra Legacy. Again, all fiberglass boat. Great boat, very reliable. I believe Supra went all fiberglass in the early 1990's. I seriously considered buying an early model Supra Comp at the time I bought my Mastercraft, fiberglass vs wood was the game changer. I didn't want to have the hassel or time off of the water after buying a boat. I believe there is only one manufacturer out there now using wood stringers and the guarentee the hull and stingers for life, Tige'. In my opinion, it is still wood and time off the water, but each to their own. |
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